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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:21:00 -
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You voted for somebody.
They won that election.
They did something that got themselves removed from office.
You don't just get a do-over because your candidate messed up. Perhaps you should've researched your candidate more closely prior to voting.
If anything, your anger should be directed at your candidate, not CCP or "pubbies" or whatever scapegoat you choose. He's the one who effectively wasted your votes through his actions. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:31:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip)
Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus".
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:48:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Amity Lane wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Again, note the man him self agrees with CCP (snip) Debatable. In his little speech to his Alliance, he states that CCP has "thrown him under the bus". The speech clearly illustrates that The Mittani is wounded that CCP would pin him to a cross just to make a statement of "SEE GUYS?! WE DONT CONDONE PEOPLE SAYING KILL YOURSELF!!!" to the rest of the world. Regardless of this throwing under the bus being right or wrong, 10000 votes were also simultaneously tossed in the garbage can. Unless the 10000 votes are allowed to be recast, this means that we as players do not actually have an effect on the CSM and can be disregarded at any time when it is convenient for CCP to do so. TLDR: CSM is a free ticket to iceland and irrelevant.
Ok. I'll give this one last go, but it's frustrating when you keep presenting logical arguments only for the person you're debating to essentially plug their ears and go "I refuse to listen, and will instead regurgitate my same flawed logic near-verbatim".
10,000+ votes were counted. Mittani won. That's why he had a position to be removed from. The voices were heard...that's how we know how many of them there were. They were counted, not "disregarded".
Mittani won the CSM7 election.Nobody is debating that.
His own conduct, however, led to his removal from that position. Post-election. He will now be replaced by an alternate, which is exactly why they're there in the first place.
TL;DR: You voted for someone who got themselves thrown out of office, and now have to live with the consequences of that choice.
Leaving this topic to other people to debate now, because after this I can't explain it any more clearly. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:23:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
It's an interesting prospect. I doubt that re-running the election would be 100% free from CCP's standpoint (it will at the very least cost a few man-hours), but it's a thought.
This of course hinges on 13 e-Politicians being able to 1. Unanimously agree on something and 2. Have that agreement be to give up their own position and hope they can repeat their election success...a prospect that seems daunting if not impossible.
It does kind of undermine the whole concept though. "Well, we don't like the rules in place for replacing a lost member so we're just all gonna quit and make you do it over".
I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, I guess. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:47:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:That is, of course, what will happen. That's the completely valid and logical route for CCP to take. Now, if the entire new CSM were to resign, then that changes the options for CCP.
It's an interesting prospect. I doubt that re-running the election would be 100% free from CCP's standpoint (it will at the very least cost a few man-hours), but it's a thought. This of course hinges on 13 e-Politicians being able to 1. Unanimously agree on something and 2. Have that agreement be to give up their own position and hope they can repeat their election success...a prospect that seems daunting if not impossible. It does kind of undermine the whole concept though. "Well, we don't like the rules in place for replacing a lost member so we're just all gonna quit and make you do it over". I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, I guess. So when I say it, I'm bad at logic and should go away. But when Poetic writes a blog about it, its suddenly a good idea? ::psyexplode::
Please show me where I said it was a good idea.
In fact, if anything I think the tone of my post would suggest the opposite, though I was trying to be objective about the idea. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 16:29:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:10000 opinions have been silenced. CCP needs to fix it or just scrap the CSM. Yes silenced by the complete incompetence of your own representative that you used your precious vote to vote with. Stop crying like a baby and move on. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that he isn't banned permanently. There are no ground to perma-ban and its a STRETCH to even ban him in te first place. Its an obvious damage control move b/c he embarrassed CCP in front of SONY and other potential investors. His ban was PURELY and 100% a CCP business decission to show SONY they arent soft.
And? Sounds like a pretty shrewd business move to me. CCP is in this to make money, not friends.
Edit: Not saying that I agree with it personally, just that it makes sense from CCP's business standpoint. |
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